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[Cobra5]

That's why other nations have much better Public Transportation then america. Like japan and bullet trains, and Englend with Double-Deckers (or whatever they're called). Everytime I see one of those I think its gonna tip over... but they never do.

[Kitsune]

As you probably already know, the Terror Alert has been raised to orange for Newark, and New York.
Al-Qaeda is believed to be planning an attack on major financial centers in these areas.

Here are some Al-Qaeda websites:

www.alzaeem.com/
www.swalif.net
www.swalif.net/sforum1/showthread.php?s=505fb8726163026ba20778e75b83fc30&postid=1534103#post1534103


The following are quotes from the Qur'an.

Did ye think that ye would enter Heaven without Allah testing those of you who fought hard (in His Cause) and remained steadfast?

And if ye are slain, or die, in the Way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.

Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter, To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah - whether he is slain or gets victory - soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

Not equal are those Believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) hath Allah promised good: but those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.

And slacken not in following up the enemy: if ye are suffering hardships, they are suffering similar hardships; but ye have hope from Allah, while they have none. And Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Fighting is prescribed upon you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

Then fight in Allah's cause - thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the Believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the Cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers may attack you: for the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.

If ye gain the mastery over them in war, disperse, with them, those who follow them, that they may remember.

Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the Cause of Allah. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew.

[Tassatul]

Kitsune said:

As you probably already know, the Terror Alert has been raised to orange for Newark, and New York.
Al-Qaeda is believed to be planning an attack on major financial centers in these areas.

Wonderful. And is there any reason you put those quotes up there, Kitsune? I hope were not going to start bashing the Muslim religion. . .

[Kitsune]

Yes, there is a reason I put the quotes up. It gives you a general understanding of the terrorists' philosophy. And as for bashing the Muslim religion, I'll just let our military take care of that. ;D

[Deimos]

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[Coral]

Im a muslim, and that is NOT in the Qu'ran! For your information, al'quaeda and its dudes are going to hell for twisting the Qu'ran and killing masses of people. For your information, islam is not full of asses like Al'quaeda. We dont kill others for no reason, we leave that to them. Nor do we strictly oppose other religions with open warfare, because we're all human, except for a few of us here. Al'quaeda gives a bad view of islam. And then theres those shiites, also twisting the religion, though not in as horrible a way.

[Deimos]

-I'm with Coral on this- Islam isn't a religion that preaches conversion or death, I know that because although Indonesia may be the world's largest Islam community, when I was there and when my mom and brother went back- there was no such sentiment unless they were extremists...it's those kind of people who should be taken out...

[Cobra5]

So I'm guessing Kitsun is a Muslim hater? There's so many of them here... so much ignorance.

We had a program at our school about all the major middle eastern religions. It like it a lot... a lot of it, one in particular (I think it was Hindu...) seemed more peaceful then any of the religions we have over here.

[Kitsune]

For those of you who claim to be Islamic, but havn't read the Qur'an, here is a link to what the Qur'an says about Jihad.

quran.al-islam.com/Subject/Tree.asp?l=eng&p=0-2599-

[Kitsune]

Here we can note a number of elements: 1) there is a command from Allah not to trust outsiders; 2) the punishment for those who fight against Islam is specified torture; 3) jihad is to persist until there is no more opposition; 4) the striking of terror into the hearts of unbelievers is central, and an unbeliever is by definition any non-Muslim; 5) every stratagem of war is approved for use by Muslims in jihad, including rape, not specifically listed here, but fully practiced in Islamic history; 6) the "people of the Book," that is, Jews and Christians, if they want to remain Jewish or Christian, must pay the jizyah, that is, a heavy tax, in many cases, 50 percent of their income, if they want to live while not converting to Islam; and 7) in paying the jizrah, after having been defeated in battle, the Qur’an calls this a "willing submission," that is, a "willingness" forced on them.

www.teihartford.com/Holy%20War%20and%20Jihad.htm

[Cobra5]

Quite frankly, I don't think you know what you're talking about, Kitsune.

The muslim reprisetative at the program said "Jihad is to fight for what you believe in, and to protect the ones you love. The terrorists believed they were fighting a Jihad. We believed that the Firefighters saving lives were fighting a Jihad"

Those were her words, as well as I can remember them. It wasn't long after 9/11, so that's what she was refering to.


Secondly, many of the things you listed supposedly about muslims are generalities. Christians during the crusades, for example...? And taxing non-believers? Catholics used to burn them. But you don't see christians or catholics going around slaughtering everyone around them nowadays, do you? Thats not even a religious thing... germanic barbarians... Roman Soldiers... Continental Soldiers vs. american indians... even marines during the vietnam war... rape, pillage, slaughter.

Every culture has war, period. You are totally taking it out of context. Every religous text should tell their followers to fight to protect the weak, and to do whatever it takes to protect what they believe in. That's what I even believe, and I'm only casually religous.

If you focus in on just these few things, and not look at the larger picture, of course any religion would seem violent and aggressive. That's true with every religion- or any culture for that matter. It's making asumptions based totally on half-truths.

For example, I could say that Airline crews support terrorism. They fly planes, after all, that use gas, that was paid with money that may have been paid to a regime in the middle east, that may have supported terrorists. There- Airlines support terrorism. I just prooved it.
See? By using only half the truth, its very easy to make something seem like something its not. Airlines cirtainly do not support terrorism, but If I leave some information out, and take a few things out of context... it isn't hard at all to make it seem that way.

[Coral]

Im getting kind of mad. If your saying that in a Jihad / Holy War, muslims are allowed use any tactic including rape and pillaging, I think you should read the actual Qu'ran book. Those acts are considered evil, and if you ever did that, you would go to hell, jihad or not. And 'Claim' to be muslim? I am muslim, its a fact. You sound so racist, no offense, this is why I hate muslim haters. They don't respect our religion, but say, 'Oh, muslims are evil rapist terrorists! 'Oh, all the muslim country's got nukes! Invade them!'. Not everyone does this im glad to say, only a few, but I think its growing.

Basically, some people interpret it as: You can torture them, they are going to hell anyways. If you do THAT though, you can say hello to hell too. Thats what happens with terrorists and prison abusers.

I think you and whoever wrote those 5 things interpreted the Qu'ran wrong. Im offended by the fact that you are, in effect, throwing anti-muslim statements around. You post in number 5: We can rape and torture and blah blah? If the person is going to hell, you shouldn't do that, leave it to the devil. If you enjoy torturing, you go the devil etc.. The middle east used to be the envy of the world, but was crushed, because everyone was partly independent, they couldn't form a draft or military. What kept it up before that? The Qu'ran. Why? It made people be good. Why do people misinterpret it? It uses METAPHORS! You cant tell a farmer all these theories and hard words and things, so you simplify it in metaphors. These days, anyone could handle them, but the Qu'ran needs to be rewritten.

And as a note, this was directed at Kitsune

[Kitsune]

All of what I've said is in the Qur'an.
Find out here- quran.al-islam.com/Subject/Tree.asp?l=eng&p=0-2599-

[Deimos]

you do know that those may be mis-translated don't you? after all- Coral should know- if there's any authority here on the topic- it's him

[Kitsune]

Well considering that those quotes are from an Iraqi website, I doubt it.