Special Events Thread III

[Tassatul]

The greatest enemy to a Jedi is not his opponent or the Sith, it is anger, hatred, and fear. So just as a Jedi must not fear losing, he also must not fear death.

I dunno, I even think fear can be helpful in such a situation. Certainly not paralyzing fear, but a healthy fear of not living. You know like, a Sith and Jedi are in a dual and the Sith realizes hes quite a bit outclassed by the swordplay of the Jedi, so he gets a little scared. He might fight harder because hes scared (and he might also make a fatal mistake too)

But a proper debating mentality calls for my personal opinions to be put to the side (for the most part) and deal mainly with the facts.

Does it? Personally, I think debate is almost entirely about opinion. I mean, to relate it to the religion discussion, would you conceed that, if one only looks at cold hard facts, that it is highly unlikely that God exists? Of course, a main doctrine of religion is faith, so you dont always worry about the evidence against because you believe.
I also think its hard to look at just facts in some cases because (much like this debate) both sides have valid points. How do you weight each one? Is peace more important than happyness? Or harmony more important than competition? I think it really boils down, past the facts, into opinion.

Like, if both codes are flawed, then why is the Sith way still closer to the mark? And what mark are you aiming at exactly? And why is the Jedi code still flawed?

Its my opinion. I think emotions are better used than suppressed, and change is better than harmony. The mark I'm aiming for is for a true code to follow. Not totally based on emotions and competition, but not devoid of emotion nor peace. The Jedi code is flawed because of all of the arguments I have made in my posts.

Yes questioning is good. I'm not complaining, I'm just finding it interesting that I'm the only one actually defending a view. Perhaps its somebody else's turn for once. Instead of me constantly explaining the Jedi way, I'd like to hear why others think they're right for a change.

Well, I guess I happen to be good at attacking. And it just so happens, Ive attacked your beliefs twice. So naturally you defend. And judging from some of the other posts, some prefer a middle ground.

Man, the Sith way is so easy to follow. Whatever the heck you think is right, just do it. Dont even have to worry about the consequences. How easy is that? But a wiseman once said, there's the easy way and then there's the right way.

I hate it when people say this. Why is the hard way always the right way? It doesnt make sense at all. Math problems for example. I do things the easy, quick way. If i can calculate in my head and thats easier than writing down every step on the paper, is it wrong? Of course, our math teachers would tell you different. "Show your work!"



I'm sure LoTR does have things to talk about. But like, you've got to kind of be more than familiar with the text to pick it out. Star Wars was a bunch of movies, and the Sith v Jedi thing is right in your face the entire time, so its readily available.

[daft alchemist]

Movies killed the literary star.

[Cobra5]

I don't get it.

[daft alchemist]

I was replying to his last paragraph. How people know about Star Wars because they're movies and people don't know as much about LotR because it's spread out in books, including books that weren't made into movies. And then I parodied the song "Video Killed the Radio Star".

[BugHunter]

Does it? Personally, I think debate is almost entirely about opinion. I mean, to relate it to the religion discussion, would you conceed that, if one only looks at cold hard facts, that it is highly unlikely that God exists? Of course, a main doctrine of religion is faith, so you dont always worry about the evidence against because you believe.

To say assuredly that God does not exist or to even project that He does not exist, one would need a good amount of the facts of everything if not the knowledge of all. If you consider how much of the universe we humans truely know, one would find that in the scope of things we know an intensely miniscule amount of it. Then, if you consider a normal person like you and me who aren't researchers that attempt to study everything as much as possible for a living, you will find that we know a miniscule amount of that miniscule amount. This in contrast to God knowing everything, to every grain of sand in every beach to every star in every galaxy of the universe. So how can one say that He does not exist with such little evidence? And what is that evidence you are thinking of?

A false religion would have you believe what they say blindly. Whereas in Christianity, a good Christian doesn't just accept God blindly, he accepts because he knows WHY he should accept, which is "that God so loved you and me that He gave up His one and only Son to be a blood sacrifice in substitution for our sins and then to arise again and thus for the salvation of our souls and the allowance of us to return to Him". Those who go about blindly are no better than cultists like the Jehovah Witnesses whose ritual of membership is to pray over a book and thats it... Not even read their doctrine (which is full of falsehoods) beforehand either . It is the responsibility of every Christian to research and defend the word of God, not hide behind it and say "oh its faith...". Those who say, "its right because I say so" are not Christians, or are being really poor ones. And faith comes in only after we go beyond that tiny miniscule of knowledge we have of the universe.

At least the Jedi have a point of defending the universe for the good of all (though their religion is morally close to Christianity, it has nothing to do with salvation). Now that I think about it, what exactly is the point of the Sith?

I also think its hard to look at just facts in some cases because (much like this debate) both sides have valid points. How do you weight each one? Is peace more important than happyness? Or harmony more important than competition? I think it really boils down, past the facts, into opinion.

This debate has plenty of facts to look at for discussion. The whole time I've barely resorted to personal opinion at all. For the most part, I've merely used good old fashion role-playing for how a Jedi would act. This debate was about the codes and how one or the other is flawed. Its all about the point you're trying to make. And as I've said before (but I'll repeat it again), as it looks, the Jedi code is merely a code of conduct and can't be flawed because its a standard. In contrast, the Sith code is not a code of conduct, it is something else. In and of itself, that does NOT make it bad, but what is bad and makes it flawed is that it makes a promise that if one follows a set pattern of doing this and this, it leads to freedom (passion to strength to power to victory to freedom). And through my past arguments such as "what goes around comes around" and being responsible with the powers given to you (which are lessons that every mother teaches, or should teach) has shown that this promise of freedom is never fulfilled. Therefore it is flawed. Even in its first line, you can't be free without peace.

As for weighing those points... Peace can lead to happiness if you think about it. Remember, peace does not mean boredom, that is unless one is a bloodthirsty warmonger. And there can be harmony in competition, as long as one is not a bad sport about it and isn't greedy and selfish. Everything is correlated in some way.

Its my opinion. I think emotions are better used than suppressed, and change is better than harmony. The mark I'm aiming for is for a true code to follow. Not totally based on emotions and competition, but not devoid of emotion nor peace. The Jedi code is flawed because of all of the arguments I have made in my posts

I love it, I explain away and give point after point of WHY the Jedi are and WHY Christianity is and I finally shoot a question your direction and all u say is "its my opinion". And in all those past arguments I gave a counterpoint. So time to make a new point. And you didn't say why you think the Sith code is now flawed too.

Well, I guess I happen to be good at attacking. And it just so happens, Ive attacked your beliefs twice. So naturally you defend. And judging from some of the other posts, some prefer a middle ground.

Debates are two way. I've explained my positions, time for you to explain your beliefs. Since you're suppost to represent the Sith - why the Sith? What good can the Sith do? There's a lot of examples of corrupt Sith, how can the Sith code not be bad then? Can't it be argued that all the corruption within the Sith ranks be explained by the code being broken?

I hate it when people say this. Why is the hard way always the right way? It doesnt make sense at all. Math problems for example. I do things the easy, quick way. If i can calculate in my head and thats easier than writing down every step on the paper, is it wrong? Of course, our math teachers would tell you different. "Show your work!"

We show our work in math class to prove that we are not cheating and to prove that we have learned the subject matter. Its all the same in morality. One can go to church, put on his smiles, give his offerings, but he can still be a corrupt evil motha on the inside. Its much harder to actually turn to God and admit that you are a sinner and give your whole life to Him. God knows whats on the inside of us all.

[BugHunter]

heyyy, this may come a bit late but congrats to all those who graduated high school recently

[Cobra5]

Like Cass. Wherever she may be...

(Probably upstairs)

[BugHunter]

The way you two siblings never know where each other is, might as well not be under the same roof, lol.

[Cobra5]

Well, we usually aren't. Or haven't been, anyway. Cass is rarely home, because of all her extra-cirricular activites. But now that school is over she's home more (but still dosen't post).

[daft alchemist]

Besides, that house is huge enough to not know where everyone is all the time.

[DOOFY]

i just relized something funny, its says im the head of the janitorial staff and now i really am a janitor, ha ha, thats right i got a job, i work at the hospital in flemington, 530pm-130am, monday-friday,$9.94 an hour

[daft alchemist]

That is ironic.

[BugHunter]

not too shabby a pay rate either

[Cobra5]

ford500 said:

i just relized something funny, its says im the head of the janitorial staff and now i really am a janitor, ha ha, thats right i got a job, i work at the hospital in flemington, 530pm-130am, monday-friday,$9.94 an hour

You make more then me, darn you. I got a job too matt, I work at Target down near the P-Burg mall. I work from 4:00am to 11:00am usually, so even if you go there, its sometimes hard to meet me.

[BugHunter]

gee, isn't that kinda early? Wut do they have you do?